19 Nov 16 – In two weeks, it will be easier for Uncle Sam to search your compute

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  • #5027
    Nick Francesco
    Nick Francesco
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    Yep – anything they want.

    #5028

    HotDawg
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    I hope they teach me how. I can’t find half the stuff I know is on here. And, how do we handle that pile of thumb drives that keep piling up?

    #5029

    Christian
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    I think this explains it more clearly than the Ars Technica article. Seems like a common sense change. There needs to be some way to apply for a warrant when the location of the subject is not known.

    #5032

    ScreenScream
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    I studied a ton of law for about ten years, all based on legal procedure and the exercise of rights. Went to jail a bunch of times attempting to assert rights. Associated with people/groups in what is called the “sovereign” movement, although I didn’t support a lot of what they were about (and for the record, the media completely misreports what they’re about…see John Stossel’s documentary on them for an accurate portrayal of simple every day people…simply trying to learn how to assert rights…that is all 90% of it is).

    What we discovered was that the govt uses fraudulent processes constantly. We discovered why, but this isn’t the time/place to go into that.

    If people really understood how the law works, based on the Constitution’s strong points *and* it’s definite flaws, we would have a much more solid, “free” country. Statute law and procedure would be much more understood.

    Traffic-based warrants for example, are almost always defective; unless an actual crime with an injury/damage has occurred, which doesn’t happen in well over 95% of traffic warrants issued (most warrants are based on unpaid fines, resulting in debt prison, which is entirely anti-American, even Lovely Warren commented on that recently, another topic not suited for this forum). I’ve seen unsigned summons and warrants in those matters and worse, as well as in other areas of law.

    It is absolutely rampant.

    But we live in a country of “representative” government. The reason for that is because our founders believed most of us were not intelligent enough to vote, understand laws and rights, etc, on our own.

    I think they were right.

    Signed,

    A Happy Slave

    #5033

    RChandra
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    I see this in the post:

    changes to Rule 41 would ensure that federal agents may identify one judge to review an application for a search warrant rather than be required to submit separate warrant applications in each district—up to 94—where a computer is affected.

    So it sounds like they’re just lazy and do not want to go to each of the jurisdictions and follow existing law and procedures. Hey, I’m all for better law enforcement, but not at the expense of protection of rights. You’re talking about subverting jurisdictions. For example, we have States. If we’re all going to treat them as if they were the same, why bother having states at all? Why bother having an Amendment X? The posting makes it sound like it’s all great, all on the level.

    I think I need only point to civil asset forfeiture to explain how the law has gone from a seemingly good purpose to being abused for whatever reasons. I don’t believe there is malfeasance intended by the vast majority of the law enforcement people who do it. They’re trying to do a difficult job and they think they’re doing wonderful things to tamp down crime. See this Daily Caller story for 7 examples of this abuse. Another I heard about was a dairy who really grew, and started making large cash deposits to the bank they were using. Remember? There’s that law where transactions of $10,000 or more have special reporting requirements, which is supposedly a way to curb crime like drug dealing. I do not remember what this dairy was alleged to have been doing, but because they started to bank a lot of money, it was assumed they were up to no good. Their money was seized and it was difficult to get it back. Similar situations have been reported on where the bank payments were made with smaller amounts (in order to get under the $10,000 extra scrutiny point) but were automatically “suspicious” for trying to get around that >= $10,000 policy.

    I would also suggest two videos by CGP Grey, this one (talking about the iPhone unlocking controversy) but even more apropos to this proposed change, this footnote one, which talks about how law is similar to a brick wall where later laws are predicated on earlier laws and court decisions, so they must be written extremely carefully. So although these changes might seem all the better for crime fighting, there is no guarantee it will help or indeed never be abused.

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